{"id":592,"date":"2009-01-17T15:25:14","date_gmt":"2009-01-17T13:25:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ofcourseimright.com\/?p=592"},"modified":"2009-01-17T15:25:14","modified_gmt":"2009-01-17T13:25:14","slug":"apparently-we-have-legalized-torture","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/?p=592","title":{"rendered":"Apparently, we have legalized torture"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-77\" title=\"Scales of Justice\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ofcourseimright.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/justice.jpg\" alt=\"Scales of Justice\" width=\"148\" height=\"182\" \/>This past week Eric Holder went before the United States Senate Judiciary Committee so that he might be confirmed as the next Attorney General.\u00a0 In that hearing, he was asked whether waterboarding was torture, and he gave a pretty unequivocal answer of &#8220;yes&#8221;, much along the lines that his soon-to-be boss President-elect Obama has said.<\/p>\n<p>According to an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2009\/01\/17\/us\/politics\/17detain.html?_r=1&amp;hp\">article<\/a> in the New York Times, and a <a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB123214439576391669.html\">separate one<\/a> in the Wall Street Journal, the statement itself, obvious as it may seem, will have consequences for those who committed the acts, and for the United States government itself, who is party to a treaty that requires prompt investigation of all credibly alleged acts of torture.<\/p>\n<p>The Times article mentions, however, that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (where they probably mean the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Detainee_Treatment_Act\">Detainee Treatment Act of 2005<\/a>, PL 109-148 \u00a71004) protects officials from prosecution if they acted in good faith based on the opinion of the Attorney General and the President.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s put this another way: if the President and AG say it&#8217;s okay to torture, then according to that law, ain&#8217;t thing one a future president can do about it.\u00a0 Furthermore, simply changing the law would not remove the protection for officials, as any prosecution would be considered\u00a0 ex post facto, which is prohibited by our Constitution.<\/p>\n<p>Of course nobody ever said that the President or AG said torture was okay.\u00a0 They just defined it in such a way that waterboarding wasn&#8217;t included.\u00a0 Well, why not do that with electrical shock, or caning?\u00a0 It&#8217;s a hole of infinite size through which any numbskull could step through.<\/p>\n<p>What, then, does it mean when we say that the United States doesn&#8217;t torture people?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This past week Eric Holder went before the United States Senate Judiciary Committee so that he might be confirmed as the next Attorney General.\u00a0 In that hearing, he was asked whether waterboarding was torture, and he gave a pretty unequivocal answer of &#8220;yes&#8221;, much along the lines that his soon-to-be boss President-elect Obama has said. &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/?p=592\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Apparently, we have legalized torture&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[30,4],"tags":[229,228,230,43,39],"class_list":["post-592","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-humanity","category-politics","tag-attorney-general","tag-dta","tag-military-commissions-act","tag-president-bush","tag-torture"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/592","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=592"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/592\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":595,"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/592\/revisions\/595"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=592"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=592"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ofcourseimright.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=592"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}